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Serenity now, insanity later. ([info]sulky_rhino) wrote,
@ 2007-08-30 00:53:00

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Entry tags:hp: misc, hp: thoughts

Distribution of fics
I've been thinking about this problem we have where people are archiving or distributing fics without the authors' permission. Like I said in celandineb's post, it's sad because it seems to me that a lot of these people don't know that what they're doing is wrong. They think they're doing people a favour by helping them find fics and by making the fics more accessible to them.

Most of these people are probably new to the fandom. They've just started reading and they're excited about it and want to share that excitement with other people. I know that when I started I first thought that fics could only be found on one archive (FA) and on authors' sites. I had no idea that people had LJs, and that there were dozens of other archives. And I admit that I didn't realise there were so many archives until I started with my rec list. So I think that some of these people probably don't know that the fics can be read in more places than one. They just want to help, but what they do is annoy people. And that's sad. :(

Maybe we could make this occur less frequently by making sure that more people know the "rules". The archives could put some information on what's allowed to do with the fic found there, and what isn't. The same goes with communities where people post their fic. They could put information about that in their profiles. Just something that would say that you shouldn't distribute the fic without the author's permission. I know that this wouldn't stop everyone from doing it, but maybe it would stop at least a few. :) (I don't really know, but maybe most archives and communities already do this... I haven't checked. :P)

I admit that I have every single one of the fics on my rec list saved on my computer. I save them in case the archives are down sometimes and I want to reread the story. And it also makes the categorisation so much easier when I have the fic in one file. But would I distribute them? No way. Not if I could find a working link for the fic. If somebody asked me and I couldn't find a link for the fic, I'd tell the person to ask the author for the fic. Usually they're nice enough to send you the fic themselves, or at least give you permission to ask somebody else to send you the fic (from what I've seen, at least). You just have to ask. Nicely. :P

AND since we're talking about distributing fics, I've found another journal where the fics are posted without the authors' permission. They posted stories by authors who have already left fandom, so I'm not going to write the name of the journal here (at least not now). I have written a comment there myself though, asking them to remove the stories. I hope they won't be all offended like the last time I asked somebody to do that... And I was incredibly nice that time. :(



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[info]scarah
2007-08-30 12:51 am UTC (link)
It's a good point, really. Many authors do have something like Archive permission: as a header. (Actually, I think some of the ones on the list did, heh.)

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[info]sulky_rhino
2007-08-30 01:33 am UTC (link)
But did they do that in every single archive where they put their fic? There are so many of them out there, and I've noticed that the authors don't always put the same notes in all of them. :/

I wish everyone would get some kind of welcome email with all the rules when they get into fandom. It'd make life easier. :P

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[info]mess
2007-08-30 01:02 am UTC (link)
I've noticed the commotion about an LJ-er who tried to set such a list and, as one reader to another, I must say that I find it unbelievably rude of her. Being a novice to the fandom and LJ does not give anyone a right to redistribute other people's work. It takes little common sense to understand that. Just like one does not borrow a borrowed book to another without notifying the owner. Having said that I agree that an explanation cum warning about it would make it more obvious to those that have little common sense and hopefully the majority of those "good-willed" individuals would abandon the notion.

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[info]sulky_rhino
2007-08-30 09:09 pm UTC (link)
eeyore9990 has started a community called welcome2fandom, which is a great idea. There's nothing there yet, but it could be really useful, I think. Especially if "newbies" would be referred to the community. :D

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[info]eeyore9990
2007-08-30 01:23 am UTC (link)
Well, shit. I didn't see your post before I posted this. *wibble*

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[info]sulky_rhino
2007-08-30 01:52 am UTC (link)
What you posted is a really good idea! :D It'd be great if archives and communities would link to that community... :)

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[info]mijan
2007-08-30 04:04 am UTC (link)
I suppose that she didn't know what she was doing was wrong, but... I mean... how could you NOT? When I first found the fandom, I found ff.net, then FA, and then LJ, but as soon as I found ff.net, I knew there would be other archives out there. And it just made sense that the fic belongs to the author, and... *sigh*

Perhaps we shouldn't have been so hard on the person who had the database-distribution idea, but I found it inconceivable that someone would think it's okay to just hand out copies other people's work. I admit, I told her in no uncertain terms that she did not have permission to redistribute my work, and that her idea was completely unacceptable by fandom convention and etiquitte. Maybe all I needed to say was "No, don't do that. My fanfic, not yours. Maybe stop and reconsider this distribution thing of yours." But... *sigh again*

And... what other journal is this? I'm really curious. Even if you don't tell us the name on the journal, can you please let us know how she reacts to your comment, and whether she takes down the stories? Please?

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[info]sulky_rhino
2007-08-30 08:56 pm UTC (link)
It's possible she saw people sharing files of fics somewhere, and she thought that was a good idea. Maybe somewhere like in a fic search where somebody was looking for a fic that was taken offline. People usually don't mind that too much (at least as far as I've seen this happen). So it's possible she got the idea that that was okay from there.

Obviously, what she did was wrong. But so many people went to her journal, and some were quite rude, that I feel sorry for her now. It was probably just a mistake. It would maybe have been enough if one or two people warned her first, instead of everyone going there at once. :/

And... what other journal is this? I'm really curious. Even if you don't tell us the name on the journal, can you please let us know how she reacts to your comment, and whether she takes down the stories? Please?

I posted my comment yesterday, and now I'll wait a few days for the person to reply. I hope they will. Although, the last post was made more than half a year ago, so I doubt that's still an active journal. And only the fics were posted, so I'm really not expecting much... So, I don't know what I'll do if the person doesn't reply. I'll write an email, I guess. And if that doesn't work, then I don't know. It's possible it's an inactive journal, so that even if 100 people commented, nothing would happen. :/ But I will definitely tell you what happens. :)

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[info]mijan
2007-08-31 03:19 pm UTC (link)
Well, if nobody replies to your comment on that journal, it's a fair indication that it's inactive, then the best thing to do would be to report it. As much as I'd hate LJ to get involved in anything else of ours, that might be the best thing to do. It's inactive, so it probably won't even hurt anyone's feelings. Are you going to try the LJ e-mail address?

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[info]sulky_rhino
2007-09-01 12:56 am UTC (link)
I'm going to try to email first, I think. It's not on LJ but on GJ, so I don't know how reporting will work. I've checked the same name on LJ, and that journal has been suspended, so it's very possible it's the same person. But I will inform the GJ Abuse (if they have it), if I don't get a reply. :) I just want to give them a chance first, before I do that. :D

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[info]mijan
2007-09-01 05:20 am UTC (link)
Hehe... sounds like a plan!

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